we can't be in the service economy, we need to create jobs, make things with our hands. back to manufacturing. back in virginia where i live, the clothes textiles, furniture mills, they're sad. let's build wind turbines facilities. >> gavin: the challenge is people go where the costs are month modest. i think you're right. the cheap china being the thing of the past, and the cost of robots that they're building the iphones and other things, but what about the manufacturing, the value equation for manufacturing in america, still not necessarily where we need to be. there is a legacy cost, sirs as you say, health and pension it's not a race to the bottom but how can we bring manufacturing back? >> president obama has strived--he has had good manufacturing plans. congress has not been a willing ally, which i think is crazy. we're the greatest country in the world. technological, we're so far advanced. let's take the kindle, taiwan came in and bought the whole company, moved the entire operation to taiwan. if you buy a kindle, it's all made in taiwan, something that was desi